1. Hell In A Bucket
3. Walkin' Blues
5. When I Paint My Masterpiece
6. Bird Song
1. Shakedown Street >
2. Man Smart, Women Smarter
3. Terrapin Station >
4. Drums >
5. Space >
6. Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad >
7. All Along The Watchtower >
8. (Walk Me Out In The) Morning Dew >
9. Good Lovin'/ La Bamba / Good Lovin'
10. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Collection GratefulDeadBand/Artist Grateful DeadDate September 18, 1987Venue Madison Square GardenLocation New York City, NYSource SBD>TAMH*>CD (Most likely lineage: SBD>PCM>DAT>CD)Transferred by Paioman and dfinney
November 19, 2013
good sound quality, nice bird song and terrapin.
November 19, 2013
Funny that you got back so quick, because I was just coming up here to say that your post made me realize that my matrix of this show has WAY too much AUD in it. It's easy to get carried away with adding the audience sources, since that's what matrixing is, in a sense. But the best matrixes (IMO) are relatively subtle in this respect. So I'm going to redo and reup my matrix of this show. Thanks for getting me thinking more critically about it!
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To each his own: we all have different listening set-ups and different things we're looking for in a recording. That said, I want to urge people to take barreramusic's review for what it's worth -- and not more than that.
For one thing, I'm not sure what s/he has in mind in saying that the SBDs of this show are "crappy." Are all non-officially-remastered SBDs crappy, in her/his opinion? If not, then what's wrong with this one in particular? It strikes me that the straight SBDs of this show (i.e., this one and the Samaritano) are both quite good.
The reviewer complains about the level of "noise" here. What sort of "noise"? I suspect -- though I could be wrong, obviously -- that the reviewer is referring to the amount of audience-noise in the mix. Personally, I don't think of this as 'noise' (in a pejorative sense) nor as a liability in any way. This is my guess because it seems to me that the PainoMan SBD is slightly 'flatter' and 'drier' than the Samaritano: that's the only reason I can see for the reviewer to prefer it. If there were less audience-noise, then the sound would be even more flat and more dry.
A final remark about matrixing this show: the reviewer claims that there is no need to matrix the show given the amount of audience noise in the SBD. I disagree. (Obviously, since I made one of the matrixes that are available for this show.) A matrix treatment gives the sound added depth: it is not intended merely to add crowd noise, but to 'deepen' and 'round out' the sound. It is true that this makes the band more 'recessed' than in a straight SBD; and certainly it makes the music more recessed than is typical of contemporary recordings (which are almost all 'brickwalled' to hell, with the result that the sound is plastered right up on the front of the speakers). I think listeners will find that although a *quick* comparison between my matrix and this SBD might lead you to prefer the SBD, lengthier comparisons would reveal that the matrix is overall a better (more immersive, less fatiguing) listen. You can really sink your ears into the matrix in a way you can't with this SBD -- and the matrix won't give you a headache if you crank it up!
But then I'm biased.
November 19, 2013
Turns out my system is crappy
@reichorn--ya know what? You make good points. You know what else? It turns out I was listening to this copy wirh a crappy set of speakers. I'm now streaming it in my car and it sounds great. The CD I burned from another SB does sound horrible, too much treble and weaving levels and the excessive crowd within all is that was crappy; and it very well could have been my equipment. I'm not back for an argument, I just realized this is better than I thought, much better--primarily because there is more base in the mix than other SBs, and it sounds cleaner than the matrices. I gotta thank you, also, for contributing to the music. I usually love matrices, but I still think this is the best copy. Of course, these are my opinions only. No offense, and keep up the great work.
Here's my original post below to which eichorn was referring if anyone cares. But I am upping the rating to a five...
I was listening to my CD of this blissful show and realized how crappy the SB is.
After briefly reviewing the SBs and matrices (no need for a matrix anyway when the audience is so loud on the SB), I conclude that this copy sounds best. It still has quite a bit of noise, but it's better than the others methinks.
With that said, I'd still buy this show if produced from a superior source, if it even exists.
Even though this is the best copy around in my opinion, I'll give this a four, begging for a better source.
(The show is definitely a five star show)